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Philosophical Monday: The Princess & The Frog [Interracial Relationships]
Is this the #1 trending topic among black bloggers are what?
I saw this movie yesterday and absolutely loved it. The songs weren’t quite as there as other Disney movies, and I wished that they had hired a Broadway team as opposed to Randy Newman, whose music I’ve always liked but never loved (save of course, “I Love LA,” which is one of my favorite songs of all time). But other than that, I was very happy with this movie and think I will be able to put up with Betty watching it again and again and again on DVD when she gets older. Maybe.
Now let’s move on to the heavy stuff: Race. Specifically, the IR romance between Tiana and the vaguely European prince. I’ve read so many black bloggers, saying things like, “I don’t have a problem with interracial relationships, but I wish the prince could have been black” or “Why couldn’t they have an African Prince?” or “I guess they had to make the prince non-black to sell it to middle America.” People bring up the recent spate of Will Smith films, in which he has a non-black love interest as proof that this is officially a catering trend.
Okay I’m going to try to talk about this w/o including too many spoilers. Though there’s one spoiler about something that happens within the first 10 minutes of the film, which you can pretty much see coming, b/c it’s a Disney film.
On the subject of Black Love, I adored Tiana’s parents. I loved the way that they treated her and interacted with her. I loved that they cooked together and that both of her parents put her to bed at night. And I loved that her father was a continuing influence on Tiana’s actions throughout the film, even after he dies. Now it’s a given that every modern Disney princess has to have a dead parent, but I think this is the best dead parent relationship that I’ve ever seen in a Disney film. And I think this depiction of Black Family, which we don’t see often enough these days is way more important than having a black prince. Seriously, people who complain about Tyler Perry’s Meet the Browns, should be hooraying for this depiction of poor blacks all over the place.
Now on the subject of the European prince not being black: I remember growing up and knowing that the only way any regular black man on most 80s series (Love Boat, Different Strokes, soap operas, et al) would get any action is if a black woman guest-starred or was added to the series cast. It didn’t matter her class or her personality or her personal taste, they would get together, presumably b/c they’re black and all black people have to do in order to hook up is be black and meet each other.
And even now when black people are depicted in relationships in movies or on TV it is still most often w/ other black people. Yet, the depiction of Will Smith with several non-black love interests and this Disney movie have drawn HUGE complaints, even though IR relationships or on the rise. My answer to that is come on!
Will Smith has been in plenty of films with other black women. In fact in his last couple of films, the only reason he wasn’t with a black woman was because they had died.
Also, if a Black Disney princess is way overdue, it might also be about time for animation to tackle an IR relationship, considering that the number of multi-racial children born in the USA has SOARED over the past few decades. There are literally millions of children around our nation that will appreciate this film on a personal level right now, and there will be even more in the future.
Also, I find it interesting that people consider it “pandering to Middle America” to depict an interracial relationship as opposed to a reflection of real societal changes. Look around you. There are more IR couples than any time in US history. Shouldn’t that be replicated in our entertainment? Newsflash: There have actually been cases of black women marrying European royalty before, and there’s even a IRL black princess now.
Last of all, if you seriously regard yourself as one of those people who has no problem with IR relationships, but states emphatically that you would have preferred for the Prince to be black, I would remind you that those of us in IR relationships are people, too. Let me repeat that: we’re not concepts, we’re living, breathing people. And when you say things like that, you insult us and insinuate that by celebrating our kind of relationship it is denigrating yours. And that’s the kind of insult that simply saying “I don’t have any problem with IR relationships” doesn’t erase. You’re an actual person, right? How would you feel if I said of Love Jones, “I have no problem with black relationships, but I wish they had made the poet white.” Yeah, I know, right!
I would go further, but this blog is already long and deeper argument would mean major spoilers .
But on one last note, I would like to say that I surprisingly approved of Tiana being a frog for most of the film — another hot point among bloggers. At one point in the movie I realized that it perfectly described my IR relationship with my husband. When we first started dating, the conversations just went on and on and we were stunned by how much we had in common despite looking nothing alike and coming from two very different backgrounds — I mean as different as could be. For example, we both have MFAs but my CMU experience was completely different from his CalArts experience. Our mothers held the same kind of job and even worked for the same national company at one point, but they were nothing alike as people or parents. We had even both travelled the world in totally opposite ways — me as a young bohemian student and teacher, he as a lighting roadie and programmer.
And this movie kind of nailed it for me. Despite all of our differences, we were both the same kind of frog on the inside. And that was enough for us to fall in love.
and let's not forget Prince Albert of Monaco's baby mama is black! Haven't seen the movie yet but really looking forward to it. So I am glad that to get the skinny on it from and and know that you liked it. I am also really sad that I won't be able to take my niece to see it. I seriously had planned to get us tiaras and everything! *sigh*
Interesting to know that the prince is European. From earlier clips that I saw a year ago I just thought ok they are making him kinda vague so that the viewer could make their own assumptions about what his race is. He could be a light skinned black man (it is set in New Orleans, Spanish, White, etc.). My neice's dad is Puerto Rican and my sister is black. She will probably sit there and see a reflection of her parents. If Disney is going to be multi-cultural then it is time they take on an interracial relationship. It certainly sounds light years above Pocahontas. I agree with you in that I don't think he has to be white for Middle America to buy into it. In fact, I think they would be more uncomfortable with him being white! It's about time that a Black woman is cast as a dazzling princess and experiences romance.
and let's not forget Prince Albert of Monaco's baby mama is black! Haven't seen the movie yet but really looking forward to it. So I am glad that to get the skinny on it from and and know that you liked it. I am also really sad that I won't be able to take my niece to see it. I seriously had planned to get us tiaras and everything! *sigh*
Interesting to know that the prince is European. From earlier clips that I saw a year ago I just thought ok they are making him kinda vague so that the viewer could make their own assumptions about what his race is. He could be a light skinned black man (it is set in New Orleans, Spanish, White, etc.). My neice's dad is Puerto Rican and my sister is black. She will probably sit there and see a reflection of her parents. If Disney is going to be multi-cultural then it is time they take on an interracial relationship. It certainly sounds light years above Pocahontas. I agree with you in that I don't think he has to be white for Middle America to buy into it. In fact, I think they would be more uncomfortable with him being white! It's about time that a Black woman is cast as a dazzling princess and experiences romance.
ha! i think you are on to something with tiana being a frog for most of the movie and that may be lost on a lot of folks, including me. i didn't like it because i thought she didn't get to be a princess for very long in the movie, though, arguably she had her whole live to be a princess. and i just have to say that when anyone says i have no problem with x BUT … i immediately know that whatever they said in the first sentence is a purdee lie and i might as well tune out the rest.
ha! i think you are on to something with tiana being a frog for most of the movie and that may be lost on a lot of folks, including me. i didn't like it because i thought she didn't get to be a princess for very long in the movie, though, arguably she had her whole live to be a princess. and i just have to say that when anyone says i have no problem with x BUT … i immediately know that whatever they said in the first sentence is a purdee lie and i might as well tune out the rest.
"i didn't like it because i thought she didn't get to be a princess for very long in the movie"
Cinderalla wasn't a princess for very long either but no one complained.
The movie was really good and I hope everyone goes out to see it.
"i didn't like it because i thought she didn't get to be a princess for very long in the movie"
Cinderalla wasn't a princess for very long either but no one complained.
The movie was really good and I hope everyone goes out to see it.
Thanks so much for writing this. I think you are right on point. I saw the movie on Friday night and I loved it! She was Disney's first Black Princess and I thought her "happy ending" was just as beautiful as Ariel's or Cinderella's. And I was glad there were vague about Naveen's race. For me, the point was that he was clearly different from her in terms of work ethnic, lifestyle, class and perhaps race, but none of that mattered. That reminded me of my husband, Brian and I. And I wish people would stop putting all of these "buts" onto everything about race. Oh and people should stop ignoring the fact there there was a beautiful black couple in the movie……Tiana's parents. I liked that it showed two couples – one interracial and the other not – and both were happy and loving.
Thanks so much for writing this. I think you are right on point. I saw the movie on Friday night and I loved it! She was Disney's first Black Princess and I thought her "happy ending" was just as beautiful as Ariel's or Cinderella's. And I was glad there were vague about Naveen's race. For me, the point was that he was clearly different from her in terms of work ethnic, lifestyle, class and perhaps race, but none of that mattered. That reminded me of my husband, Brian and I. And I wish people would stop putting all of these "buts" onto everything about race. Oh and people should stop ignoring the fact there there was a beautiful black couple in the movie……Tiana's parents. I liked that it showed two couples – one interracial and the other not – and both were happy and loving.
so I finally saw the movie and have a few conclusions on the issue of Naveen's race:
1. He is not white and that ain't a tan he got bango playing in the bayou. Which I don't know why people are tripping on that anyway it is SOOOOO not important in the context of the story.
2. I agree with one of my co-worker's conclusion about his ethnicity (she is in an IR marriage with an Indian man). Bink and you might miss it but Naveen's parents are Indian (his mama was rocking a sari) and Naveen is also an Indian name.
3. I think people are just ASSUMING he is white/European because their consciousness doesn't even register the thought that omg brown people can actually have royal lineages.
and can I just say I was really happy about Tiana's lesson in the movie which is kinda sorta a spolier so I won't mention it. But every little brown girl needs to have this movie in her collection not just because she needs to know she too can be a princess but because it will re-affirm what is important in life.
Wow, I saw it TWICE and didn't catch all of that! Good work.
In all fairness, Maldovia sounds European.
I loved the message, too. Though, I'll admit to coming out and thinking, "I need to work even harder on getting the word out about my novel. Hard work is the best!" — so I don't think the message quite stuck the way they wanted it to…
girl you know mama odie said you get what you need. :)
so I finally saw the movie and have a few conclusions on the issue of Naveen's race:
1. He is not white and that ain't a tan he got bango playing in the bayou. Which I don't know why people are tripping on that anyway it is SOOOOO not important in the context of the story.
2. I agree with one of my co-worker's conclusion about his ethnicity (she is in an IR marriage with an Indian man). Bink and you might miss it but Naveen's parents are Indian (his mama was rocking a sari) and Naveen is also an Indian name.
3. I think people are just ASSUMING he is white/European because their consciousness doesn't even register the thought that omg brown people can actually have royal lineages.
and can I just say I was really happy about Tiana's lesson in the movie which is kinda sorta a spolier so I won't mention it. But every little brown girl needs to have this movie in her collection not just because she needs to know she too can be a princess but because it will re-affirm what is important in life.
Wow, I saw it TWICE and didn't catch all of that! Good work.
In all fairness, Maldovia sounds European.
I loved the message, too. Though, I'll admit to coming out and thinking, "I need to work even harder on getting the word out about my novel. Hard work is the best!" — so I don't think the message quite stuck the way they wanted it to…
girl you know mama odie said you get what you need. :)